Been doin the same as Rob on one specific local lake, where by mid July the weeds are up to within a foot or two of the surface, it's a small, round, "cereal bowl" shaped lake about 200 some acres, 30-36 ft deep in the center of the "bowl", and the weeds extend a good 100+ feet in from shore all the way around, and the baby 1- is PERFECT at times there. Especially when it's been pounded by guys usin' floating worms, jerkbaits,frogs,etc..and other soft baits for a few months, must be the rattle, or just that it's "different" but it works well at certain times there... egMike